Σχόλια στο Whither Software Engineering http://blog.postmaster.gr/2009/11/26/whither-software-engineering/ Managing organized complexity Mon, 06 Feb 2012 23:51:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ Από: On Engineering Diplomas « ~mperedim/weblog http://blog.postmaster.gr/2009/11/26/whither-software-engineering/#comment-43832 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:26:44 +0000 http://blog.postmaster.gr/?p=455#comment-43832 [...] At the center of the discussion seems to be that the proclamation of equality between a Diploma of Engineering and an M.Sc. is a manipulative scheme by TEE to protect the professional interests of its own members. While I will admit ignorance about the fine motives and policy of TEE and the Polytechnic schools this is not the case. The Diploma in Engineering is has been a Greek invention, it’s a common practice across numerous countries in Europe who have adopted a single 5-year studies cycle for advanced fields. Quoting wikipedia: Diplom (from Greek Δίπλωμα diploma) is an academic degree in some European countries including Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Estonia, Croatia, Serbia, Ukraine, Belarus, Greece, Hungary and Finland (however, only for engineers). It can be compared to Master’s degrees in other countries. … The Diplom is a prerequisite for preparing a doctorate (Doktorarbeit). It is usually accepted as admission into doctorate programs in other countries having an educational agreement with Germany, and in the European Union, it is generally accepted as the equivalent of a Master’s Degree. … In Greece, a Diploma is a 5-year (10-semester) (Diplom Uni) (300E.C.T.S – I.S.C.E.D. 5A) degree, formatted similarly to the German Diplom, awarded to students of the Greek Polytechnic schools, such as the National Technical University of Athens. … Diplomas are considered equivalent to Masters and allow the holder to sit in the Technical Chamber of Greece exams without any prerequisite. It also allows the engineer to be considered for Doctorate studies, without any additional classes being taken. … The traditional Austrian equivalent to the Master’s degree is the Diplomstudium, leading to the title Diplom-Ingenieur (female title: Diplom-Ingenieurin) in engineering or Magister (female: Magistra) in almost every other discipline. This is a first degree after 4–6 years of study. … In Belgium, possessing a Master’s degree means that you have completed a higher education (usually university or college) programme of 4 or 5 years. Before the Bologna process most some programmes required 5 years of study. An example in business/management was the 5-year programme of “Ingénieur de Gestion” (French) (English: “Commercial Engineer”) with an important amount of mathematics and sciences, and which corresponds to a M.Sc. in Management. … In Denmark, a Master’s degree is awarded. This is just “Master” in Danish; however, MA/M.Sc and Master Courses are distinguished, where MA and M.Sc are known as Candidate degrees (“kandidatgrad”), and are obtained by completing a longer advanced education (“længere videregående uddannelse”), with a typical duration of five years. Putting aside a discussion on the merits of whether an M.Sc. should constitute a separate 2-year cycle of studies following a 3-year one that leads to a Bachelor, it’s quite clear that 5-year studies are considered equivalent to an M.Sc. in numerous places around Europe. In fact, a number of old friends had no problem continuing straight for a Ph.D. in England, US, Holland and other places without any concerns being raised over their typical qualifications. This clearly indicates that the recent move is not an ugly manipulative scheme of a guild but -if nothing else- a recognition of the de facto situation and the higher quality and duration of the studies performed in such institutes. [more] [...]

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]]> Από: panoskrt http://blog.postmaster.gr/2009/11/26/whither-software-engineering/#comment-43575 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:18:30 +0000 http://blog.postmaster.gr/?p=455#comment-43575 Very good post and interesting subject. I’ve read an interesting article related to the topic a couple of years ago -> http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.9662 I found it very interesting even that my mathematical background is not at the level is should be and I haven’t had any mathematics *at all* during my degree. Because of that, having seen how some things are taught, it makes you think that it really matters how you should get something working *right*, than just working. It is the example with bridges, you build a bridge, you want it to work on earthquakes, on strong winds, under extreme conditions etc. That’s engineering, and software needs to follow the same principles.

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